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Damian Stewart
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hey ada, as i understand it there are a good number of people here who are living in the EU and making art or doing art-related activities. so i have a question for them. ... |
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Julian Oliver
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..on or around Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 04:17:10PM +0000, Damian Stewart said: hopefully you'll understand something from my ramble and will be able to give me some advice. any and all is appreciated. [snip] ... |
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Luke Munn
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wow, EU squatting 101. maybe some of the routes in border xing
(http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/borderxing/ |
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Sean Cubitt
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Unfortunately you can't access borderXing if you're already IN the EU ;) S On 4/2/08 8:47 AM, "Luke Munn" wow, EU squatting 101. maybe some of the routes in border xing
(http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/borderxing/ |
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adam hyde
11 months ago |
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hey an interesting model is to start a business in a country and that gives you the ability to work under contract. You could infact start the business in NZ. If you are already in the EU then try the Netherlands. ... |
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Damian Stewart
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adam hyde wrote: hey hey adam, an interesting model is to start a business in a country and that gives you the ability to work under contract. You could infact start the business in NZ. If you are already in the EU then try the Netherlands. hmm, interesting - so what you're saying is that, if i start a business somewhere, it matters not whether i actually have residence there? are you basing this on what you've done with Floss Manuals? ... |
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Damian Stewart
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adam hyde wrote: This model has been known to work effectively, you are not breaking any laws, infact you are playing the game. The country you reg the business likes it cause u pay tax, and as long as u prove u are not living there by showing that you travel often, then you are also within all the immigration laws. hang on, hang on, whoa. ... |
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Damian Stewart
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Julian Oliver wrote: [snip] really you only have a handful of strategies. here is my ordering of them: 1/ marry someone with an EU passport you both love and love living
with. as soon as the marriage is recognised in both countries you
have the right of residency. permanent citizenship is usually
automatically granted in 2-3 years.
1/ of course being the option that is the most difficult to arrange reliably ;-) most Kiwis hide in friendly cities like Berlin and pop out of the
Schengen states into a country like Switzerland to buy another 3
months stay-credit when they need to. that works very reliably:
while non-sensical it does work on paper - which is where it counts
in a queue at passport control. poor cities (like Berlin) are better
to these ends as they care only that you don't become an economic
burden. bring in money and they'll often let it go if you're from a
'western' country, preferably white and don't look totally broke.
actually my understanding of how Schengen's 90/180 rule operates is that, at least since the last three or four years, for this strategy to work you'd have to stay in Switzerland for 90 days before going back.. in fact as I understand it it's precisely to avoid this kind of visa run that they implemented the 90/180 rule in the first place. if you feel drawn to the great many opportunities afforded by being an artist in the EU but: can't bear the creeping anxiety born of border improvisations, shudder at the thought of marriage (in and out of love), don't want to step back into a UNI or yield as a contract artist-hand, then yes, you're far better off trying to make it work back in NZ in my opinion. i certainly don't mind being a contract artist-hand. it's doing so with the ability to legally live somewhere permanently when i'm not, is what i'm trying to sort out. i 'winged it' here before aquiring residency status for several years. the feeling of not being settled becomes a difficult and compromising psychological force and one that will only eat at your practice in time. yeah, i know. i have times where i just can't stand it. i was close to buying a flight back to NZ this morning. aargh. ... |
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Julian Oliver
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..on or around Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:00:43AM +0000, Damian Stewart said: adam hyde wrote: This model has been known to work effectively, you are not breaking any laws, infact you are playing the game. The country you reg the business likes it cause u pay tax, and as long as u prove u are not living there by showing that you travel often, then you are also within all the immigration laws. hang on, hang on, whoa. ... |
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Julian Oliver
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..on or around Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:15:22AM +0000, Damian Stewart said: Julian Oliver wrote: [snip] ... |
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Damian Stewart
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Julian Oliver wrote: for what it's worth, i have yet to hear of anyone that's 'clean' getting kicked out of the EU for overstaying a few months. again, they only care when you become an economic burden or appear to be engaged in suspicious activity. i know people that have overstayed their visas in just one country for several years. that is far from advice, of course ;) it was also pointed out to me that immigration is a national, not so much a regional, concern. border guards are much more concerned about how long you're staying in their country, than in the EU as a whole. ... |
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Julian Oliver
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..on or around Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 02:44:09PM +0000, Damian Stewart said: Julian Oliver wrote: for what it's worth, i have yet to hear of anyone that's 'clean' getting kicked out of the EU for overstaying a few months. again, they only care when you become an economic burden or appear to be engaged in suspicious activity. i know people that have overstayed their visas in just one country for several years. that is far from advice, of course ;) it was also pointed out to me that immigration is a national, not so much a regional, concern. border guards are much more concerned about how long you're staying in their country, than in the EU as a whole. of course.. but while immigration is a state concern, and not granted by the EU as such, getting thrown out of a member country can remove your right to return to the EU as a whole for a fixed period. ... |
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adam hyde
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hey sorry for slow reply, i have been at the beach :) the only issue i have found with the strategy outlined b4 is that when u start the company then you must apply for a tax number (sofi number). Generally this is no problem, but you could be flicked back on this point. This is why its good to work with an accountant that knows the system - ask them to help you apply. ... |
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Damian Stewart
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Julian Oliver wrote: of course.. but while immigration is a state concern, and not granted by the EU as such, getting thrown out of a member country can remove your right to return to the EU as a whole for a fixed period. it's going to get harder soon. ... |
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